who wouldve known meaning

Monday, June 23, 2014 2:59 PM by Hans51I have used 'If I had p.p..., I would have p.p...' like If I had known you were a teacher, I would have asked some questions. However, I saw

who wouldve known meaning

Monday, June 23, 2014 2:59 PM by Hans51I have used 'If I had p.p..., I would have p.p...' like If I had known you were a teacher, I would have asked some questions. However, I saw 'If I would have known...' structure like below

Elsa : I never knew what I was capable of.

Anna : Im so sorry about what happened.
If Id have known

Elsa : No, no, no, Its okay. You You dont have to apologize.
(Frozen)

And then can I also use "If I had known..." instead for the same meaning of If Id have knownOr is there a meaning difference between them? What do you native English speakers think? Thank you so much in advance.


Monday, June 23, 2014 3:27 PM by AlpheccaStars

Hans51And then can I also use "If I had known..." insteadNo, it's not correct. (Edit: I mean "If I have known" and "If I have had known" are not acceptable in American English.)

Monday, June 23, 2014 4:14 PM by fivejedjon

Hans51Anna : Im so sorry about what happened.If Id have known Elsa : No, no, no, Its okay. You You dont have to apologize.(Frozen)And then can I also use "If I had known..." instead for the same meaning of If Id have knownOr is there a meaning difference between them? What do you native English speakers think? Thank you so much in advance.In British English, 'If I'd have known is taken to be 'If I had have known' which is considered sub-standard - though it's not uncommon in speech.

If 'I'd have known' is taken to be 'If I would have known', then that is considered incorrect.

The only acceptabl form in standard BrE is 'If I had ('d) known'



Monday, June 23, 2014 3:27 PM by AlpheccaStars

Hans51And then can I also use "If I had known..." insteadNo, it's not correct. (Edit: I mean "If I have known" and "If I have had known" are not acceptable in American English.)

Monday, June 23, 2014 4:14 PM by fivejedjon

Hans51Anna : Im so sorry about what happened.If Id have known Elsa : No, no, no, Its okay. You You dont have to apologize.(Frozen)And then can I also use "If I had known..." instead for the same meaning of If Id have knownOr is there a meaning difference between them? What do you native English speakers think? Thank you so much in advance.In British English, 'If I'd have known is taken to be 'If I had have known' which is considered sub-standard - though it's not uncommon in speech.

If 'I'd have known' is taken to be 'If I would have known', then that is considered incorrect.

The only acceptabl form in standard BrE is 'If I had ('d) known'


Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:22 AM by Hans51

I mean "If I have known" and "If I have had known" are not acceptable in American English.)Thank you so much and what does that mean? I think that we can make sentences with the expresstions or is it never possible with them, especially 'If I have p.p...'?
If I have known you well, I would....

Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:30 AM by AlpheccaStars

Hans51 I mean "If I have known" and "If I have had known" are not acceptable in American English.)Thank you so much and what does that mean? I think that we can make sentences with the expresstions or is it never possible with them, especially 'If I have p.p...'? If I have known you well, I would....My earlier reply was hasty and unusually sloppy. Sorry for that.

The example you gave was an if- clause that is counterfactual in the past: If I had known you were sick, I wouldn't have bothered you. (I did not know that you were sick.)
In this construction, the past perfect is the correct verb form, not the present perfect.

In a few other if-clause constructions, the present perfect is OK. I can think of two off the top of my head:
1)
If I have known one bad deal, I have known a hundred.

I have known a lot of these. The if-clause is not counterfactual, it is a true statement, and used for emphasis.

2)
People sometimes ask me if I have known my friend since were were little.

An indirect question with if.

If I'd have known that earlier, I would have... = If I would have known. The contraction is common in speech.


Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:34 AM by CalifJim

Hans51If Id have knownThis is a very common mistake made by native speakers, so you will hear it fairly often. I don't recommend imitating it, though. Say "If I had known" instead.

CJ


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